
36.地图边界之外,故事如何生长?包慧怡×Huw Lewis-Jones
11 月 7 日 · 1 小时 03 分

本期我们将探讨何为历史的真相,或者真相的前历史。相关诗歌文本《学者和他的白猫》在31集中(该集包含包老师清唱版白猫之诗!欢迎补课)Pangur Ban是古爱尔兰语文学中第一只有名字的猫。
本期主播:包慧怡、桑阳(Luca)
制作人:张泽熙

Veritas: the Roman goddesss of Truth

修昔底德 Thucydides (c. 460 – c. 400 BC) was an Athenian historian and general. His History of the Peloponnesian War recounts the fifth-century BC war between Sparta and Athens until the year 411 BC. Thucydides has been dubbed the father of "scientific history" by those who accept his claims to have applied strict standards of impartiality and evidence-gathering and analysis of cause and effect, without reference to intervention by the gods, as outlined in his introduction to his work. (wikipedia)

Clio, Muse of History [1800] by Charles Meynier [1768–1832]
History 词源: late 14c., historie, "relation of incidents" (true or false), from Old French estoire, estorie "story; chronicle, history" (12c., Modern French histoire), from Latin historia"narrative of past events, account, tale, story," from Greek historia "a learning or knowing by inquiry; an account of one's inquiries; knowledge, account, historical account, record, narrative." This, along with verb historein "be witness or expert; give testimony, recount; find out, search, inquire," are derivatives of histōr "knowing, expert; witness" (as in hyperhistor "knowing all too well"), reconstructed to be from PIE wid-tor-, from root weid- "to see," hence "to know" [Watkins].
Thus it is related etymologically to Greek idein "to see," eidenai "to know," and to idea and vision. (source: https://www.etymonline.com/word/historian)
包老师的猫“潘谷白”:

潘谷白在书封上(包老师自绘)

北外图书馆47种表达“图书馆”的多语种幕墙(谁能最快找到爱尔兰语?):

Placiti Cassinesi The Placiti Cassinesi are four official juridical documents written between 960 and 963 in southern Italy, regarding disputes over several lands among three Benedictine monasteries and some local landowners. They are considered the first extant documents written in a Romance vernacular of Italy, along with the Veronese Riddle and the Commodilla catacomb inscription.

Umbrian is anItalic language formerly spoken by the Umbri in the ancient region of Umbria. Within the Italic languages, it is closely related to the Oscan group and is therefore associated with it in the group of Osco-Umbrian languages, a term generally replaced by Sabellic in modern scholarship. Since that classification was first formulated, several other languages from ancient Italy have been discovered to be more closely related to Umbrian. Therefore, a group, the Umbrian languages, was devised to contain them.

彩蛋:本期背景音乐为Brian Boru's March, by Loreena McKennitt;
The Harp of Brian Boru (Brian Bóruma mac Cennétig; modern Irish: Brian Bóramha; c. 941 – 23 April 1014) was the High King of Ireland from 1002 to 1014. He ended the domination of the High Kingship of Ireland by the Uí Néill. His harp (replica) is still in Trinity College Dublin along with the Book of Kells.

AI 从整集转写里归纳的,不是节目方的宣传语
修昔底德区分「真相」与「可能性」的方法,以及中世纪学者被期望通晓一切的知识环境。
主播养了十年的白猫与中世纪爱尔兰诗歌 Pangur Ban 的对照,把学术讨论落到具体的陪伴经验上。
抄写员在羊皮纸边缘写诗抱怨猫整夜捕鼠,自己整夜找词,两者各司其职互不竞争。
AI 读完整集转写后给出的推荐理由
修昔底德在《伯罗奔尼撒战争史》里承认自己无法准确记录每场演讲,只能根据「最可能说的话」来重构——这个两千年前的困境,今天做口述历史的人还在面对。节目从这个问题出发,聊到中世纪抄写员在羊皮纸边缘写诗抱怨自己的猫,聊到爱尔兰修道院把书藏在塔楼顶层以防维京人烧毁,聊到最早的意大利语文献其实是一份土地纠纷文书。主播养了十年的白猫贯穿其中,让这些关于知识传承的讨论有了具体的温度。
由 AI 从整集转写生成,是创作者说明之外的补充
本期从修昔底德《伯罗奔尼撒战争史》中「真相」与「可能性」的区分出发,讨论历史与故事在词源上的同源关系,并延伸到中世纪学者的通才理想、爱尔兰修道院对知识的守护、爱尔兰语与意大利语等边缘语言的保存状况。节目后半段以主播养了近十年的白猫为线索,串联起中世纪抄写员与猫的诗歌传统(Pangur Ban),探讨陪伴、专注与知识传承之间的关系。
点一章从那里开始播 · 与上面创作者标的时间点各自独立
修昔底德如何区分真相与可能性
从修昔底德《伯罗奔尼撒战争史》出发,讨论他如何区分亲身经历的事实与根据可能性重构的演讲。他承认无法准确记录每场演讲原话,但通过交叉比对来源来筛选信息,这构成了历史学方法的雏形。
历史与故事:同一个词根的分裂
讨论意大利语、德语、拉丁语中「历史」与「故事」同源的现象,英语后来才将两者分开。节目观点是:所有历史都是故事,最好的故事成为历史。随后转入主播养猫的个人经验,以及中世纪抄写员与猫的诗歌传统。
中世纪学者的通才理想与图书馆的稀缺
讨论中世纪「学者」概念与今天的差异:当时学者被期望通晓一切,因为书籍稀缺,一座图书馆可能只有几十本书。节目提到爱尔兰的修道院图书馆传统,以及实体图书馆中偶然发现相邻书籍的体验。
爱尔兰语、悬崖与古代地理观
从北外图书馆的爱尔兰语部门聊到爱尔兰语在殖民历史后的衰落,以及主播在爱尔兰悬崖边的亲身经历。随后讨论古代罗马作家对「有人居住的世界」边界的描述,以及爱尔兰在欧洲地理中的边缘位置。
修道院诗歌与知识的灯塔
讨论六到九世纪爱尔兰修道院诗歌传统,僧侣们把书籍保存在塔楼顶层,即使维京人来袭也优先保护书籍。这种「知识灯塔」的意象在动荡的中世纪格外珍贵,也解释了爱尔兰为何保存了最完整的凯尔特神话体系。
意大利语与翁布里亚语:边缘语言的保存
讨论最早的意大利语文献——一份记录土地边界纠纷的法律文书,混合了拉丁语和早期意大利语。节目还提到翁布里亚语等更早的意大利半岛语言,以及爱尔兰语保存凯尔特神话的完整性。最后预告下期将讨论异教神话。
收尾与下期预告
节目以轻松的口吻收尾,提到「柠檬频道」的比喻,预告休息后继续讨论。主播表示下期将简要介绍异教神话的衰落。

36.地图边界之外,故事如何生长?包慧怡×Huw Lewis-Jones
11 月 7 日 · 1 小时 03 分

35. 莫兰迪:观看的苦修|Morandi: The Asceticism of Seeing
10 月 11 日 · 1 小时

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9 月 25 日 · 26 分钟

33. 今天我们如何谈论幸福?Happiness and Its Discontents
8 月 23 日 · 47 分钟

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本期我们将探讨何为历史的真相,或者真相的前历史。相关诗歌文本《学者和他的白猫》在31集中(该集包含包老师清唱版白猫之诗!欢迎补课)Pangur Ban是古爱尔兰语文学中第一只有名字的猫。
本期主播:包慧怡、桑阳(Luca)
制作人:张泽熙

Veritas: the Roman goddesss of Truth

修昔底德 Thucydides (c. 460 – c. 400 BC) was an Athenian historian and general. His History of the Peloponnesian War recounts the fifth-century BC war between Sparta and Athens until the year 411 BC. Thucydides has been dubbed the father of "scientific history" by those who accept his claims to have applied strict standards of impartiality and evidence-gathering and analysis of cause and effect, without reference to intervention by the gods, as outlined in his introduction to his work. (wikipedia)

Clio, Muse of History [1800] by Charles Meynier [1768–1832]
History 词源: late 14c., historie, "relation of incidents" (true or false), from Old French estoire, estorie "story; chronicle, history" (12c., Modern French histoire), from Latin historia"narrative of past events, account, tale, story," from Greek historia "a learning or knowing by inquiry; an account of one's inquiries; knowledge, account, historical account, record, narrative." This, along with verb historein "be witness or expert; give testimony, recount; find out, search, inquire," are derivatives of histōr "knowing, expert; witness" (as in hyperhistor "knowing all too well"), reconstructed to be from PIE wid-tor-, from root weid- "to see," hence "to know" [Watkins].
Thus it is related etymologically to Greek idein "to see," eidenai "to know," and to idea and vision. (source: https://www.etymonline.com/word/historian)
包老师的猫“潘谷白”:

潘谷白在书封上(包老师自绘)

北外图书馆47种表达“图书馆”的多语种幕墙(谁能最快找到爱尔兰语?):

Placiti Cassinesi The Placiti Cassinesi are four official juridical documents written between 960 and 963 in southern Italy, regarding disputes over several lands among three Benedictine monasteries and some local landowners. They are considered the first extant documents written in a Romance vernacular of Italy, along with the Veronese Riddle and the Commodilla catacomb inscription.

Umbrian is anItalic language formerly spoken by the Umbri in the ancient region of Umbria. Within the Italic languages, it is closely related to the Oscan group and is therefore associated with it in the group of Osco-Umbrian languages, a term generally replaced by Sabellic in modern scholarship. Since that classification was first formulated, several other languages from ancient Italy have been discovered to be more closely related to Umbrian. Therefore, a group, the Umbrian languages, was devised to contain them.

彩蛋:本期背景音乐为Brian Boru's March, by Loreena McKennitt;
The Harp of Brian Boru (Brian Bóruma mac Cennétig; modern Irish: Brian Bóramha; c. 941 – 23 April 1014) was the High King of Ireland from 1002 to 1014. He ended the domination of the High Kingship of Ireland by the Uí Néill. His harp (replica) is still in Trinity College Dublin along with the Book of Kells.

AI 从整集转写里归纳的,不是节目方的宣传语
修昔底德区分「真相」与「可能性」的方法,以及中世纪学者被期望通晓一切的知识环境。
主播养了十年的白猫与中世纪爱尔兰诗歌 Pangur Ban 的对照,把学术讨论落到具体的陪伴经验上。
抄写员在羊皮纸边缘写诗抱怨猫整夜捕鼠,自己整夜找词,两者各司其职互不竞争。
AI 读完整集转写后给出的推荐理由
修昔底德在《伯罗奔尼撒战争史》里承认自己无法准确记录每场演讲,只能根据「最可能说的话」来重构——这个两千年前的困境,今天做口述历史的人还在面对。节目从这个问题出发,聊到中世纪抄写员在羊皮纸边缘写诗抱怨自己的猫,聊到爱尔兰修道院把书藏在塔楼顶层以防维京人烧毁,聊到最早的意大利语文献其实是一份土地纠纷文书。主播养了十年的白猫贯穿其中,让这些关于知识传承的讨论有了具体的温度。
由 AI 从整集转写生成,是创作者说明之外的补充
本期从修昔底德《伯罗奔尼撒战争史》中「真相」与「可能性」的区分出发,讨论历史与故事在词源上的同源关系,并延伸到中世纪学者的通才理想、爱尔兰修道院对知识的守护、爱尔兰语与意大利语等边缘语言的保存状况。节目后半段以主播养了近十年的白猫为线索,串联起中世纪抄写员与猫的诗歌传统(Pangur Ban),探讨陪伴、专注与知识传承之间的关系。
点一章从那里开始播 · 与创作者标的时间点各自独立
修昔底德如何区分真相与可能性
历史与故事:同一个词根的分裂
中世纪学者的通才理想与图书馆的稀缺
爱尔兰语、悬崖与古代地理观
修道院诗歌与知识的灯塔
意大利语与翁布里亚语:边缘语言的保存
收尾与下期预告
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36.地图边界之外,故事如何生长?包慧怡×Huw Lewis-Jones
11 月 7 日 · 1 小时 03 分

35. 莫兰迪:观看的苦修|Morandi: The Asceticism of Seeing
10 月 11 日 · 1 小时

34. 泰戈尔: 拾桨渡过悲伤之海| A Boatsong from Tagore
9 月 25 日 · 26 分钟