
E58:怎样从“关心环境”走到真正行动?|自然之友志愿者行动30年
10 月 13 日 · 1 小时 38 分

In the process of achieving carbon peak and carbon neutrality, in recent years, China has been establishing a dual control system of carbon emissions, i.e. regulating carbon emissions both in terms of emissions intensity and total amount.
Globally, the UK was the first nation to establish legally binding targets for controlling greenhouse gas emissions. Its Climate Change Act 2008 established a mandatory carbon budget system, providing a clear, quantitative pathway for the UK to achieve net-zero emissions by 2050.
In this episode, we are honored to have Dr. Emily Nurse, Director of Net Zero at the UK Climate Change Committee, on our show. The UK Climate Change Commitee is a statutory independent advisory body established under the Climate Change Act to support decision-making for the carbon budget system. Dr. Nurse provides a detailed introduction of how this system operates, including target setting, progress assessment, roles of different parties, etc. We also discuss the changes that individuals and households need to make, and the areas in which China and the UK can collaborate.
This episode is co-produced by the British Embassy in Beijing and 不成气候No Such Climate.
【Timestamps】
Introducing our guest and the UK Climate Change Committee
What is a carbon budget and how does it differ from other targets for climate mitigation?
How does the UK carbon budget system work?
What factors are taken into consideration when determining carbon budgets?
How did the UK successfully achieve its past three carbon budgets?
Which sectors currently face more challenges in terms of emission reduction? Do these challenges imply economic impacts or lifestyle changes?
How do ordinary British citizens view net-zero transitions?
In which areas can China and the UK cooperate?
【Additional resources】
Climate Change Committee: The Seventh Carbon Budget
https://www.theccc.org.uk/publication/the-seventh-carbon-budget/
Carbon Brief: Q&A: The UK government’s ‘carbon budget delivery plan’ for 2035
https://www.carbonbrief.org/qa-the-uk-governments-carbon-budget-delivery-plan-for-2035/
Assessing the size and uncertainty of remaining carbon budgets
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41558-023-01848-5#Abs1
【Credits】
Guest: Dr. Emily Nurse
Plan: Vera(何弦), Le Yuan(乐园), British Embassy in Beijing
Host: Vera(何弦), Le Yuan(乐园)
Production: Vera(何弦), Le Yuan(乐园)
《不成气候No Such Climate》is a podcast that is broadly interested in atmospheric science topics such as climate change, air pollution, and their intersections with current news, events and everyday life.
【Follow us】
We welcome you to subscribe to our show through podcast clients such as Apple Podcasts, Xiaoyuzhou, Spotify, and Pocket Casts. We will also be updating simultaneously on platforms such as Himalaya, Lizhi Podcast, QQ Music, and Douban.
【Contact us】
Rednote: 不成气候NoSuchClimate
WeChat official account: 不成气候No Such Climate
说明里标出的时间点,点一下跳过去
AI 从整集转写里归纳的,不是节目方的宣传语
CCC 测算第七个碳预算所需减排约三分之一来自家庭选择,其中四分之三集中在换取暖方式和换出行方式两件事上。
嘉宾带来26人公民小组的结论:公众支持禁售燃气锅炉和燃油车,但惊讶于自己不知道什么减排最重要。
谈到北海油气社区将萎缩时,嘉宾强调要提前把技能转向低碳技术,让当地人从转型中受益而不是被落下。
AI 读完整集转写后给出的推荐理由
英国早在2008年就把“碳预算”写进法律,五年一个上限,提前十二年设定。CCC 净零事务主任 Emily Nurse 拆开讲这套制度怎么算、怎么盯、哪里成了哪里卡住:电力脱碳靠差价合约和成本暴跌跑通,热泵却还卡在前期成本;航空减排让行业自己付费,因为富人飞得最多。她还带来一个26人公民小组的真实反馈——公众最想知道的,往往不是回收。
由 AI 从整集转写生成,是创作者说明之外的补充
英国气候变化委员会净零事务主任 Emily Nurse 详解英国碳预算制度:2008年《气候变化法案》确立的五年期法定排放上限,如何通过提前十二年设定、独立机构建议、年度进展报告等机制运转。节目以建筑供暖脱碳为例拆解建模逻辑,复盘电力部门脱碳的成功经验,讨论航空、饮食、进口排放等难点,并给出家庭减排的优先顺序。最后谈到英中在碳预算与脱碳上的合作空间。
点一章从那里开始播 · 与上面创作者标的时间点各自独立
为什么这期用英文做
主播说明这是节目近六年第二次英文单集,由英国驻华使馆牵线。借中国十五五规划可能引入排放总量上限的时机,引出英国碳预算这一最早立法实践,并介绍嘉宾 Emily Nurse 的身份与 CCC 的法定职责。
碳预算到底是什么
Emily 用财政预算类比解释碳预算:五年期法定净排放上限,排放相当于花钱,移除相当于给出去的钱。她对比年度百分比目标与强度目标,说明碳预算跨多年可平滑天气等年度波动,绝对总量也比强度指标更抗统计方法变化。
制度怎么运转:十二年提前量与年度体检
英国2008年《气候变化法案》设九个五年碳预算,已实现前三个,排放自1990年减半。预算提前约十二年设定以给投资确定性,政府须提交到达计划。CCC 负责建议预算水平、每年向议会报告进展并评估政策框架。
数字怎么算出来:以建筑供暖脱碳为例
面对如何建模的追问,Emily 以热泵替换燃气锅炉为例:按锅炉十五年寿命倒推2035年起停装新锅炉,再参照冰岛、爱尔兰的扩张速度判断2035年达到完整市场可行。她强调 CCC 只建议,政策设计是政府的事。
成功的部分:电力脱碳与电动车
前三个碳预算主要靠电力部门达标:2024年淘汰燃煤,燃气发电降至2008年一半,约四分之一电力来自燃气。差价合约、碳定价与低碳技术成本暴跌共同作用。电动车销量约占新车四分之一,热泵则仍卡在成本上。
难啃的部门与公平问题
航空靠可持续燃料与碳移除,成本转嫁给航空业并反映在票价上,抑制需求但不逆转增长。饮食只需延续少吃肉趋势。英国排放减半而 GDP 增长约七成,已脱钩;但北海油气等社区需提前规划技能转型。
进口排放:追踪但不立法
主播追问进口排放是否纳入碳预算。Emily 说 CCC 建议追踪并设非法律约束的路径,因为控制力有限、数据质量差。但随着本土排放下降,进口排放占比会越来越重要。
家庭能做什么,以及公众怎么想
CCC 测算第七个碳预算所需减排约三分之一来自家庭选择,其中四分之三来自取暖与出行方式切换。回收的减排量远小于换锅炉、换车、少飞行。26人公民小组显示公众支持目标但要求政府提供信息、解决前期成本。
数据、合作与全球碳预算
Emily 表示英国愿分享碳预算技术细节,也愿向中国学习,并列举挪威电动车、瑞典热泵、中国风光与电动车、巴西低碳电力等案例。主播补充剩余全球碳预算不足3000亿吨,节目以感谢与订阅引导收尾。

E58:怎样从“关心环境”走到真正行动?|自然之友志愿者行动30年
10 月 13 日 · 1 小时 38 分

E57:当气候变得“任性”, “看不见的他们”如何增强韧性?
7 月 2 日 · 1 小时 23 分

4 月 14 日 · 46 分钟

3 月 7 日 · 1 小时 25 分

不成气候No Such Climate · 4 月 14 日 · 44 分钟
In the process of achieving carbon peak and carbon neutrality, in recent years, China has been establishing a dual control system of carbon emissions, i.e. regulating carbon emissions both in terms of emissions intensity and total amount.
Globally, the UK was the first nation to establish legally binding targets for controlling greenhouse gas emissions. Its Climate Change Act 2008 established a mandatory carbon budget system, providing a clear, quantitative pathway for the UK to achieve net-zero emissions by 2050.
In this episode, we are honored to have Dr. Emily Nurse, Director of Net Zero at the UK Climate Change Committee, on our show. The UK Climate Change Commitee is a statutory independent advisory body established under the Climate Change Act to support decision-making for the carbon budget system. Dr. Nurse provides a detailed introduction of how this system operates, including target setting, progress assessment, roles of different parties, etc. We also discuss the changes that individuals and households need to make, and the areas in which China and the UK can collaborate.
This episode is co-produced by the British Embassy in Beijing and 不成气候No Such Climate.
【Timestamps】
Introducing our guest and the UK Climate Change Committee
What is a carbon budget and how does it differ from other targets for climate mitigation?
How does the UK carbon budget system work?
What factors are taken into consideration when determining carbon budgets?
How did the UK successfully achieve its past three carbon budgets?
Which sectors currently face more challenges in terms of emission reduction? Do these challenges imply economic impacts or lifestyle changes?
How do ordinary British citizens view net-zero transitions?
In which areas can China and the UK cooperate?
【Additional resources】
Climate Change Committee: The Seventh Carbon Budget
https://www.theccc.org.uk/publication/the-seventh-carbon-budget/
Carbon Brief: Q&A: The UK government’s ‘carbon budget delivery plan’ for 2035
https://www.carbonbrief.org/qa-the-uk-governments-carbon-budget-delivery-plan-for-2035/
Assessing the size and uncertainty of remaining carbon budgets
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41558-023-01848-5#Abs1
【Credits】
Guest: Dr. Emily Nurse
Plan: Vera(何弦), Le Yuan(乐园), British Embassy in Beijing
Host: Vera(何弦), Le Yuan(乐园)
Production: Vera(何弦), Le Yuan(乐园)
《不成气候No Such Climate》is a podcast that is broadly interested in atmospheric science topics such as climate change, air pollution, and their intersections with current news, events and everyday life.
【Follow us】
We welcome you to subscribe to our show through podcast clients such as Apple Podcasts, Xiaoyuzhou, Spotify, and Pocket Casts. We will also be updating simultaneously on platforms such as Himalaya, Lizhi Podcast, QQ Music, and Douban.
【Contact us】
Rednote: 不成气候NoSuchClimate
WeChat official account: 不成气候No Such Climate
说明里标出的时间点,点一下跳过去
AI 从整集转写里归纳的,不是节目方的宣传语
CCC 测算第七个碳预算所需减排约三分之一来自家庭选择,其中四分之三集中在换取暖方式和换出行方式两件事上。
嘉宾带来26人公民小组的结论:公众支持禁售燃气锅炉和燃油车,但惊讶于自己不知道什么减排最重要。
谈到北海油气社区将萎缩时,嘉宾强调要提前把技能转向低碳技术,让当地人从转型中受益而不是被落下。
AI 读完整集转写后给出的推荐理由
英国早在2008年就把“碳预算”写进法律,五年一个上限,提前十二年设定。CCC 净零事务主任 Emily Nurse 拆开讲这套制度怎么算、怎么盯、哪里成了哪里卡住:电力脱碳靠差价合约和成本暴跌跑通,热泵却还卡在前期成本;航空减排让行业自己付费,因为富人飞得最多。她还带来一个26人公民小组的真实反馈——公众最想知道的,往往不是回收。
由 AI 从整集转写生成,是创作者说明之外的补充
英国气候变化委员会净零事务主任 Emily Nurse 详解英国碳预算制度:2008年《气候变化法案》确立的五年期法定排放上限,如何通过提前十二年设定、独立机构建议、年度进展报告等机制运转。节目以建筑供暖脱碳为例拆解建模逻辑,复盘电力部门脱碳的成功经验,讨论航空、饮食、进口排放等难点,并给出家庭减排的优先顺序。最后谈到英中在碳预算与脱碳上的合作空间。
点一章从那里开始播 · 与创作者标的时间点各自独立
为什么这期用英文做
碳预算到底是什么
制度怎么运转:十二年提前量与年度体检
数字怎么算出来:以建筑供暖脱碳为例
成功的部分:电力脱碳与电动车
难啃的部门与公平问题
进口排放:追踪但不立法
家庭能做什么,以及公众怎么想
数据、合作与全球碳预算
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E58:怎样从“关心环境”走到真正行动?|自然之友志愿者行动30年
10 月 13 日 · 1 小时 38 分

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